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're negotiating with him or make contact with him or just simply trying to wait him out? >> as jim kavanagh said, there is a standard procedure to deal with a situation like tat and you look at it in terms of a hostage situation. ultimately and ideally, they want to bring this person out alive. they want to minimize any potential loss of life. so, if they have isolated him in a place where they have high confidence that they have a secure perimeter, then they'll take as long as necessary to try to get him to surrender, if, in fact, that's the case right now. >> in about seven minutes the president is going to get a direct briefing from robert mueller, they're both headed to the white house in less than ten minutes. i want to bring in cliff van zandt former fbi profiler. clint, you've been hearing everything. my apologies there. you have been hearing everything about learning more and more little bit about who these brothers are. what kind of profile would you be putting together right now? >> well, number one, we all have to admit it is amazing to get this much information this quickly. you look
, jim. >> we can go a couple of different directions here, we can talk about the man hunt where it is and how it's dwell developing or the geopolitical, what are you most interested in? >> in the first hand, the law enforcement will peck up the known suspect, possible third man involved hopefully without further loss of life. they're obviously extremely dangerous, armed with both firearms as well as possibly bombs. the chechen connection is very interesting. i'm sure right now they're on the phone with the russians and what they have with this family or their connection. are they being mentored or encouraged by terrorists in the country? the russians have had a terrible time with the chechens over the years, but the march with the double suicide bombing on the moscow subway killed 40 people. in november 2009 there was another train bombing that killed 26. so this has been a very dangerous, islamic region, not just chechnya, but also the north caucasus countries. i should also add that we have a lot of these people in both afghanistan and pakistan, foreign fighters and the cheche
or it was something else that caused them to snap. >> [ inaudible ]? >> stephanie: jim is just throwing something out. >> i don't blame the holocaust on christianity. it was christians who stopped the holocausts. and i have met many muslims who are ashamed of this. >> stephanie: we're reading again, david, as you have been reporting all morning, officials are worried that suspects may have hidden other explosive de devices. and he is still described as on the run. and things are still very very tense in boston. >> yeah, still on the run, and strong suspicions that he might have a suicide vest or belt on. so when the time comes maybe he tries to take out as many people as possible. and that's why police are saying stay inside, there is no public transportation, but just to be careful, and also because this kid -- who the suspect that survived was a student of umass dartmouth, so umass dartmouth is closed today. they are asking for any help -- granted this kid's photo has been splashed all over the place for the last 24 hours, so there shouldn't be anybody more recognizable than
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